The Pope is a dope

Add the Pope to the list of people — including Dick Cheney and Rush Limbaugh — who need to shut the fuck up.

By telling Africans that condom use exacerbates AIDS, the Pope is encouraging more people to die. It’s that simple. The head of the Catholic Church is advocating manslaughter. Here is a man and a religion so far removed from reality and simple common sense, so cloistered inside its own shell of dogma, that its time to finally render the whole thing irrelevant once and for all. Catholicism is just another of history’s failing power structures trying to hang on by using lies and other means to maintain its ideology. It appears the latest desperate move is to try and round up a new generation of suckers:

With the number of practicing Catholics dwindling in the developed world, Africa is seen as vital to the Church’s future.

In a big surprise, someone I don’t need to tell to shut up is George W. Bush. In a speech in Calgary (an area friendly to the former prez), Bush said:

I’m not going to spend my time criticizing (President Obama). There are plenty of critics in the arena. He deserves my silence. … I love my country a lot more than I love politics. I think it is essential that he be helped in office.

Wow, maybe the Evildoer in the Bush presidency really was Dick Cheney after all. I wonder what would have happened if Bush had a mind of his own during those eight years.

Actually, I take that back. I don’t want to think about such things.

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14 Responses to “The Pope is a dope”

  1. whiskeynexhaust Says:

    Not that suprising Pope is hating on rubbers. This article on AIDS in Africa is pretty damn interesting.
    http://exiledonline.com/political-correctness%e2%80%99-first-bona-fide-genocide/

  2. Apparently there are a lot of people who agree with you about what the pope said.
    With regard to Bush, how easy it is to say “I love my country more than politics” after you have completely ruined your country by using politics. He loves himself and is desperately trying to alter his legacy by such remarks.

  3. As I titled my blog post for that day “Perhaps the Popes father should have worn a condom.”

    I got well over 100 comments on that entry when I additionally posted it on Daily Kos. 90% agreed with you and I. Pope is on dope.

    http://idlewordship.com

  4. Joseph Ratzinger Says:

    The man masquerading as pope should resign. Is this guy really the pope?
    No, to be pope you must be Catholic.

    Ratzingers early books on Christianity were banned by his bishop for being non-Catholic.

    As for Aids in Africa, it was administered via small pocks vaccines by the UN. It’s all in a book called AIDS the crime beyond belief by Don Scott.

  5. In the 1970’s a prior Pope (Paul VI) sounded several warnings about the ill effects that contraception would have on society in an encyclical Humanae Vitae. He was blistered by the press, but no one in the press wants to bring up Humanae Vitae now because everything that Paul VI said came true. It’s not by magic, but by logic, and following the logic to its ultimate conclusion.

    If you actually read what Benedict XVI, and you follow a rational train of thought rather than making ad hominem attacks, you will see that the Pope is not a “dope” but instead making a very valid critique of our fix-the-problem-with-a-bandaid approach.

    It could be that you are the short-sighted and narrow-minded one for writing the Pope off as a dope rather than considering his line of reasoning with an open mind.

  6. Humanae Vitae says that contraception lowers moral standards. So you’re suggesting that since we live in an amoral world that the edict is thereby justified? That’s faulty reasoning. Put AIDS into the equation and you now have a concrete, practical problem rather than a philosophical one. Condoms stop the spread of AIDS. This is a fact. You simply cannot connect condom use to immoral behavior. But you can connect condom use to slowing the spread of AIDS.

    By contrast, Humanae Vitae is a concept, developed by the church, a church that needs babies to be believers.

    But this is of course an issue of how you choose to think. I’m ultimately a pragmatist. I believe in what works. If you’re a Christian, you can’t do that so easily. So you need to hold on to what fits within the confines of the dogma you live in. So really, who’s the narrow-minded one?

  7. Joseph Ratzinger Says:

    “I believe in what works. If you’re a Christian, you can’t do that so easily. So you need to hold on to what fits within the confines of the dogma you live in. ”

    So euthanasia, abortion, fetal screening for handicaps are all ok with you if they provide solutions to some social problem.

    Hey, why not ethnic cleansing?

    Sorry dude, when you get rid of dogma and tradition, which some call the accumulated wisdom of mankind, there are no depths to which we can’t sink.

    DO you want to live in a world where “though shalt not kill” is not a generally accepted dogma?

  8. Euthanasia is not a social solution, it’s a choice. In my opinion, if someone chooses to end his or her life that person should have the freedom to do so.

    Abortion is a difficult one for me because the fetus does not have a choice. I kind of go back and forth on that, but I usually side on the rights of the mother and the father to decide what is best. If a baby is not wanted, it might not be a good idea to bring it into the world. But again, that’s a decision to be made by rational, free-thinking adults.

    “Ethnic cleansing”? Wow, your slippery slope when from a 5-degree incline to a near 90-degree angle in a single question.

    In my book, Christianity is not the accumulated wisdom of mankind. It is one series of fables among the many series of fables out there which has been passed down through generations to the point where it has achieved an enormous power structure politically and socially. The stories are fine. “Thou shalt not kill” is a good credo to live by. The problem is when dogma overpowers reason. My sense of “accumulated wisdom” comes not from a single source, but from science (an evolving, testable process), philosophy, history, art, and religion, and the many different interpretations of all of that.

    Incidentally, how many times has the Catholic church violated “Thou halt not kill” throughout history? And is the pope violating it now by trying to impose his own sense of morality on people who are suffering from an epidemic?

  9. idlewordshipdotcom Says:

    To say that condoms lead to some sort of lowering of morality is as ridiculous as saying that pot leads to heroin and then to murder (and argument born again Christian Stephen Baldwin was spewing on Larry King last week. Utter nonsense.

    I wrote a blog about it entitled, “Perhaps the Pope’s father should have worn a condom.” http://www.idlewordship.com/2009/03/perhaps-popes-father-should-have-used.html It received a lot of hits, and when I posted it on Daily Kos it got 129 comments and counting –the majority agreeing (granted it is a leftie site) that the Pope should talk about what he knows about –which, considering his claiming to know God, amounts to very little.

  10. Joseph Ratzinger Says:

    “It is one series of fables among the many series of fables out there which has been passed down through generations to the point where it has achieved an enormous power structure politically and socially. ”

    How do you know its a fable? I mean what qualifies you to say that some of the greatest minds in history, Thomas Aquinas, St Augustine, Shakespeare, Marshall Macluhen where all duped by these fables. Thats a pretty bold statement to make without some backup.

    ALso, its just as easy to make fables using math and science.
    Take Al Gore’s hockey stick for example.

    THe Catholic church has always been against contraception and you’re free not be Catholic, so are the people in Africa.

    However, RATzinger is not Catholic, so should anyone listen to him when he speaks on behalf of the Church? I think not.

    I guess on that point we agree.

  11. I don’t have to back it up, because the volume of evidence against a biblical version of the universe is overwhelming. So you would have to go the other direction: How do you know it’s NOT a fable? I would imagine that the answer has something to do with your faith. And this is always where discussions about religion break down. To some extent, science is also a form of faith, but it’s an evolving, continually challenged, testable form of faith whose very purpose is to open itself to critique. That’s where I place mine because I’m not arrogant enough to assume that I know the answer to what god is. If you want me to rifle off a list of intellectuals, poets, philosophers, historians, artists and writers who are more aligned with my thinking we’d be here all day.

    Of course Africans are free to believe whatever they want. But I can’t abide outright lying, which is what the pope did. So I’m calling him out.

    By the way, sex is a beautiful thing. I’m not a moral deviant for having sex without the intention of having children. According to the Church I am. According to me, my partner, and my moral standards, I’m not. Thank god I get to decide that for myself.

  12. Joseph Ratzinger Says:

    “I’m not a moral deviant for having sex without the intention of having children. According to the Church I am.”

    Wrong. The Church allows sex for the sake of sex within the confines of marriage.

    “I don’t have to back it up, because the volume of evidence against a biblical version of the universe is overwhelming.”

    You’re claiming publically that the story of Christ is a fable but you refuse to provide any support for the claim. I’m assuming then, you are not a real authority on Christianity or Science, rather you just picked a side.

    “To some extent, science is also a form of faith, but it’s an evolving, continually challenged, testable form of faith whose very purpose is to open itself to critique. ”

    Tell that to Canada’s most prominent scientist David Suzuki who says global warming deniers should be jailed.
    http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=290513

    “But I can’t abide outright lying”

    You seem to embrace a lot of Christian principles.

    “which is what the pope did. So I’m calling him out.”

    Two questions, do you think more people are dying now from sexually transmitted diseases than there were 100 years ago, before the wide spread use of contraception? Do you think contraception in any way contributed to the spread of STDs?

  13. What is the primary use of condoms, actually? Condoms o are used to prevent a natural process from happening.

    I think this is why in Humanae Vitae it was said that it “lowers moral standards”- because condom is primarily used by people who are ESCAPING THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT COMES WITH THEIR ACTIONS. We can say that it is their choice- and the Pope clearly does not banish mankind’s right to make their own choices, what he simply does is give light to what is really happening, our choices are left to us.

    Only, people use condoms so they can have sex with their husband/wife anytime they want- without having to answer up to their actions. BUT, this is not the case today- the case today is that people use condoms so they can have sex with anybody, anytime, without the fear of having AIDS OR STD. These are very SELFISH ACTS- and I think this is what the Pope, or the Church as a whole, wants us to be aware of- how SELFISH we now have become.

  14. Thanks for the comment. But I just don’t buy that argument. Condoms prevent *one* natural occurrence from happening, and that is procreation. But it enables another natural occurrence – sexuality – to be enacted safely and responsibly, without spreading disease.

    I think people need to realize that sexuality is not just for making babies. It is an intimate exchange of emotions between consenting adults. To deny that fact denies part of what makes us human. Condoms let people express these feelings without bringing about the proliferation of disease and unwanted pregnancy. Condom use is a responsible endeavor, not an escape from responsibility.

    And to say that sex is a selfish act is just ludicrous. To say that denegrates sex as some shameful thing, which it is not.

    But this is just another example where a small minority of ardent Christians live in one world while the rest of us live in another.

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